This week's summit: the immortal author, publicist, musician, music expert, activist, DJ, badass: Nathan Carson of Nanotear. Topics and quotes: Any art that I appreciate, I like knowing where it comes from and what those people's influences are, and so I think it's just a natural curiosity for me to trace all those roots Hole in the Sky, to me, is very much a better Black Sabbath song.You've got people saying, “Well, concerts should be free, or $5. I grew up going to $5 shows, why isn't it $5?” You can see I've got a pretty good, scar across my neck. It looks like I came out of a Highlander movie, successfully. I didn't want to have to wrap up my affairs and sell my records and finish my novel in 6 months. Making a list, or making a call, or making a plan.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

36 - I Want to Have More Time to Live

Lyrics reference: KornTopics and Quotes:You have to speak a very, very great language, very intellectual, to sing in French.I needed to tell many things that I kept very… for a long, very long time, inside my body, inside myself, my brain.Try to understand that no one will come to knock to your door to save you.Because many people can't understand that, and they don't want to understand, because maybe they're afraid, we don't know.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

35 - Somebody Will Hear You

All-Star panel: Kevin J. Anderson (Bestselling novelist behind the Terra Incognita trilogy, plus the Clockwork Angels series with Neil Peart of RUSH, and numerous other titles in major franchises, including Dune and Star Wars). Michael Sadler - Founding member of iconic prog band: Saga. Bob Madsen - of The Highlander Company Records, also known for “flippity-flappity bass” Lyrics reference: Rush Quotes: -The record business is broken. We don't know what we're doing. -I really know how to write books, but I don't play any instruments. -I'm quite willing to sing outside of my comfort zone, as it were, with Saga. In fact, I invite it, because I really enjoy doing that and expanding my range. https://wordfirepress.com/collections/terra-incognita https://sagagen.com/ https://thehighlanderco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

34 - Terra Incognita

Chris Caffery of  @transsiberianorchestra  Trans-Siberian Orchestra,  @thisissavatage  Savatage, Doro, his solo band, and others. This features two excerpts from his MetalAslyum interview with Jack Mangan and Rich Catino. Watch the full interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DetM4JJ3IsU&t=3s Quotes from this episode: There's not a lot of money coming from the sales. So you're going to have to get on the road. It's really important for people to get an identity. Savatage is like a little little anchor in the middle right now that I've been missing. No lyric reference this episode. (What?!) https://www.chriscaffery.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

33 - Separate Yourself From Normal Life

The amazing Doro Pesch joins Jack Mangan for SLAM Summit: Music Survival Guide 32! Lyrics reference: Warlock An amazing story involving lightning. Doro’s Metal Queen Metal Music cruise The “Warriors of the Sea” album. I think our live versions, they are always 10,000 times better than the studio versions because of the fans. It's very hard for musicians to survive only on streaming. Lemmy and Dio, they were my best friends, actually. https://www.doropesch.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

32 - Ball Lightning

David “Rock” Feinstein of The Rods, and formerly of Elf. Lyrics reference: The Rods Topics and quotes: I had to call Ronnie back and say, “Ronnie, as much as it breaks my heart. . .” Lots of amazing stories about his cousin Ronnie James Dio, their time together in Elf, the tragic 1968 car accident, Ronnie’s departure to join Rainbow, Ronnie’s talent. . . The Rods legendary career, plus the new album: “Wild Dogs Unchained” How he got the “Rock” nickname In the 80s, you wrote songs about partying, and girls, and, you know, the whole sex, drugs, and rock and roll type of thing. The actual 40 minutes, 45 minutes, hour, however long you're on stage playing is the actual drug that we are hooked on. 99.9% of all the shows that we've done in the last 15 years have been break-even shows. All it takes is one song. https://therods.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

31 - Persevere

Mike Bollenbach of Full Well Studios Lyrics reference: Alice Cooper Quotes: Being in the studio with Alice Cooper and Bob Ezrin The music industry is in a sort of depressing state when it comes to compensation for your recorded material As an engineer in the year 2025, you need to be adaptable. You need to be able to embrace the new technology that's coming out. You need to be able to work in all those mediums. The world is so inundated with the amount of people putting out music, that it's really hard to have a charting record in 2025. The days of bands, you know, like, like supergroups. . . There's not gonna be another Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath. . . The closest thing we have to that in 2025 would be the Foo Fighters. http://www.fullwellrecording.com/ https://www.supportlifeandmusic.org/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

30 - Have a Failsafe

Gabriel Bey - a Phoenix-based musician, entrepreneur, and a major idea slinger for the improvement of culture and community, especially in the arts.  It takes you a lifetime to learn all of these things, so much better when you have someone to show you the way. Hopefully you can find your niche and live a healthy life playing music.If you're a local artist, you're playing in nightclubs. . . the money that you make just barely pays your daily living expenses. For you musicians, all you gotta do is continue to write, continue to create, and we'll put your music in a database and allow those, film companies that hear, listen to itif you're into music, you have to do it for the love, because if you're trying to do it for the money, you'll go down the wrong path every time. https://phxmf.com/https://www.supportlifeandmusic.org/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

29 - Better When You Have Someone to Show You the Way

The band Rahway are here! Well, ¾ of them are calling in from their cars. Lyrics Reference: Overkill You're definitely in charge of your own happiness, you know? And if you're not gonna be happy, nobody's gonna get you happy.If you're really in that much pain, you don't want to hit up 988, you don't want to, you know, hit up your mom or somebody, hit us up.You gotta leave some kind of light in there. You gotta trust in God, and listen to good music. That pulls people out of bad situations, your head, your mind.Things got a little heated right there, didn't they?We try to provide a silver lining and give energy and uplift people at the same time with it. Like, hey, we're here, we know that things might not be that great in life, but you know what? If there's a will, there's a way.[Re: band manager, Larry Jones]: I've never seen anybody who cared so much, who pushes so much, who fights so much for us, stands up for us. With promoters, for anybody that's trying to screw us around, he's always got our back. He takes care of so much, like, booking and accommodations, the travel. . . He sometimes complains the whole way, but, you know, he wouldn't have it any other way, because he loves doing it, and. . . he's pretty much our fifth member.It's so much harder when it's just one person. That's why before, I was like, yo, I'm grateful that we have 9, 10 people, you know, this Voltron effect with Rahway, because it's part of the reason why we've made it so far.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

28 - Face the Anti

SLAM: Music Survival Guide 27 - Neil Giraldo - Stay Locked-Most of the time, when people fall into dark places, there's a part of their being, whether it's an artistic or creative side of them, that's screaming to get out.	-12 tapes for a penny.-We're driving, and all of a sudden, we get hit from behind while we're on the freeway, going 75 miles an hour.-I study a lot of philosophy and a lot of spirituality with the I Ching and the Kundalini and the Tao, and all this stuff, right? So, I followed that strongly, and without that, I wouldn't be where I am today.-That's why I stress the spirituality for everybody. . . It's good for the body, it's good for the soul. What's good for the mind is good for the soul. You gotta integrate all those things. Had I not had that, I wouldn't have been able to deal with any of it, any at all, and it kept me grounded.-You gotta live through this world kind of naked. You gotta be. . . not afraid of being exposed- This ain't normal, I know that, but it just happened in this lifetime.-Respect's easy. If you're not confident, and you're not secure, there's no way that's gonna happen. I don't care if in a band, in a relationship, It's not gonna happen.-Just do it and have fun. It's not about a cash thing. In fact. . . money's gonna be going to so many organizations for that it's not about that. It's about the songs and the music.-Find the spirituality, no matter what it is, in the dark - - not the darkest moment. Because the darkest moment is going to be the easiest one to be able to go there, because you're going to be so dark, you're gonna need help. . . Try to go when you're right in the middle.-If you happen to get in a dark place, reading will get you out of it. Read something positive. Find something that you can connect with. . . Pick up a pencil.-Most of the time, when people fall into dark places, there's a part of their being, whether it's an artistic or creative side of them, that's screaming to get out.-Once you lock it, stay locked.-Second chances are good, and they happen, but not threes and fours.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

27 - Neil Giraldo - Stay Locked

James Rivera, a.k.a. Vampiro Lyrics reference: Helstar Quotes from the episode: Why do you think Jeff Loomis is one of his biggest fans? Management can either make you or break you. We had a bad management. And so for the younger bands, you know, you're pretty much going to be on your own, and you're going to deliver a record, and you're going to say, “Hey, it's a license deal!” and they're going to give you nothing. But they're going to put you out there in the world. You know what? You should take it, because that's as far as you're going to get now. We're still reeling from the death of Ozzy Osbourne, which I thought would never happen. It just seemed like he was gonna outlive us all. So think about it. If you got a flu... you've got Covid... Do you think you could sing? No, there's no way in the world what you do. It's affecting your body. So that's what a lot of people need to understand. Lead singers don't have it that easy, although everybody else thinks they do, but they don't. And you know what depression is. Yes, I've been there. I thought about jumping off a bridge. I thought about hanging myself, or whatever. But you know what at the end of the day it doesn't do you no good, man. You're gone. You have to outlive that. You have to be very confident in what you believe in. What a lot of people don't believe in is themselves. And you know what? Once you learn to love yourself, you will get over it, and it's not selfish.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

26 - You Have to Outlive That

SLAM Summit 25 - Junior Bourcier and Francois Babin of Atomik Train Episode 25 in 2025! Lyrics reference: Red Rider It's a lifetime quest. If we want our lives to change, we have to change. You have to work on yourself. As Francois said, you have to give yourself love.There's a lot of heart in that music. There's a lot of energy. There's a lot of fun, a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. Have a really really good time playing music and inspire people to accomplish their dreams and have fun. So did the hat have to come off at the nudist camp too? We are taking care of pretty much everything. So we have to have a lot of different hats to make sure that the job's done.I don't play that often, but when I do, there's so much music inside me, it has to come out somehow, and when I play, I explode.if you're in trouble, don't, don't, don't run. Stay at the same place. The solution is around you. https://atomiktrain.com/https://www.supportlifeandmusic.org/https://givebutter.com/lifeandmusicThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

25 - When I Play, I Explode

Jack Mangan and Evo Terra spill the details about the newly-available audio podcast version of SLAM Summits though Captivate.fm. And we answer some burning questions about what SLAM actually is. Lyrics reference: Rage Against the Machine ~Do I need an iPod to listen? ~Available on all podcatchers. RSS Feed: https://feeds.captivate.fm/slam-summit/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

24 - Evo Terra Captivates

Dr. George Musgrave and Dr. Carolyn Cavanaugh-ToftLyrics Reference: Context~”I was Number 10 in the MTV chart. on radio one with Rihanna, the Arctic Monkeys. I was working with Ed Sheeran. . . Mike Skinner. . . I just signed with a subsidiary of Atlantic. and then I just sort of fell out of love from doing it.”~”in a way, I've just swapped one obsession which was like music and trying to get signed on the radio for another, which is publishing and being cited. It's basically the same drug.”~"Getting Paid in Cheese Sandwiches."~”Can Music Make You Sick?” book ~”The word ‘professional’ is meaningless.”~”There's a huge desire to always be enthusiastic when you work in music. Everything's brilliant, everything's wonderful. “~”’Well, yeah, they choose that lifestyle. So they get what they paid for.‘“~”So the question is: What does success mean to you? How do you define it?”~”in a way, I've just swapped one obsession which was like music and trying to get signed on the radio for another, which is publishing and being cited. It's basically the same drug.”~“The myth is that if we ask people about suicide, that it'll make them, you know, it'll give them thoughts of wanting to. And we have to be like, ‘No, the data show that is not the case.’”This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

23 - Are You a Professional?

SLAM Summit 22 - Munsey Ricci of Skateboard Marketing, Jon Freeman of Freeman Promotions, Jon Asher of Asher Media RelationsLyrics reference: GWAR Quotes: ~And when he went off the deep end he trashed all his gear, I was the first guy he called.~A true publicist is somebody who has a good track record and is well known in various circles, has a reputation with industry standards and stuff, not somebody who just says I'm a promo guy.~I’ll send your dog some cookies.~If you have dependencies. . . And there's demons. . . Well, you know, you could pick up the phone and call somebody, and they can get you help. . . And we've all dealt with those artists and those people, whether it was friends, family, or a colleague.~It wasn't the fact that they were missing interviews. It was just how they were acting to me as a person and a businessman~Am I talking shit, or is Michael Brandvold talking shit? (SPOILER: Neither of us were talking shit). ~Jack namedrops John Bambino. . . again. . . This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

22 - Munsey, Jon, and Jon

Our Solo SLAM Summit guest today is vocal superstar Andry Lagiou, who is about to embark on a 2025 tour with Yngwie Malmsteen. Lyrics reference: Warlock   Quotes from this episode: ~I think it comes from pain. To be honest, I don't think that there is an amazing musician that hasn't experienced severe pain.~I haven't even put my eyelashes on like I don't know how big of a deal that is.~You have to have balls, bitch. They will judge your face, your body, your tits, your voice, your personality.~You're on tour. You're at work. You're not playing around. You can't be late. ~I'm going to put out the new song that I co-wrote with Ron Wasserman, the great composer that wrote the Power Rangers (the “Go Go Power Rangers” song). ~You are the Karma. You gotta pay back. You gotta fight back.~We say the compliments at the beginning, and then we proceed with all of the hard stuff.~Shoutout to Doug Aldrich~Respect for Ronnie James DioThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

21 - You Are the Karma

It's a solo summit! - - with the one-and-only Pat Gesualdo - - founder of the Official Metal Hall of Fame AND the D.A.D. (Drums And Disabilities) Drum Therapy program. He's truly a force for good in the music industry. Lyrics reference: Deep PurpleSome quotes:~Hearing that his dying wish was to get his platinum albums, I kind of took it into my own hands to try to help that situation.~I pioneered the healing art of drum therapy, in which we train the synapses and the brains through drumming, which the D.A.D. Program is all based off.~Drumming helped me alleviate my disabilities.~Yeah, I witnessed you playing with Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Geoff Tate. . . ~Eddie Trunk's just been great. He's been our host forever since the beginning. And of course, Wendy Dio, Cathy Rankin right? Cathy's awesome.~The Metal Hall of Fame gala is gonna be Grammy Award level. I mean, all the way to the top. It's gonna be huge. ~You may not get a great response. Don't give up. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

20 - It Gets Crazier and Crazier

This SLAM Summit's featured guests are two great drummers from two great European Progressive bands: Alexander Skepp of Gosta Berlings Saga and Georg Edert of Elder. Gosta Berlings Saga have a new 2025 album called "Forever Now." You MUST check it out as soon as you finish listening to this discussion.  This one is also special on the SLAM side because Jack Mangan is joined by two brilliant SLAM Band cohosts: Mark Pruett, and Sheila Unwin, Ed.D. Lyrics reference: Elder Quotes: ~When times are tough, you look for those moments that you can sort of stay in for a while and just be there. And this album sort of became that for us.~I do struggle with going back to a rhythm of practicing coming from tour when everything's super structured. And then you're at home, and there's no tour manager telling you to get up at 8 and go practice. You have to do that yourself.~Something that I look for everywhere in life really is just being around people who inspire you.~5 cooks alone cooking for the whole crew.~Mark tells a great story about Steven Tyler and Joe Perry (of Aerosmith) getting on each others’ nerves.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

19 - Being Around People Who Inspire You

Mr. Linden, Miss Min.D - - both of Seattle, and Joseph “DJ Dimension” Mercado of Phoenix, formerly New York and Miami talk to me (Jack Mangan) about the highs and lows and joys, frustrations, and dangers of the DJ music life and club community. Three smart and powerful creators. I learned A LOT. Lyrics reference: M/A/R/R/S ~Bottom line is, we love the music. I remember, I was like, maybe 10 years old, and I had the old tape recorder, black thing, the little buttons on the, you know, and I was recording off the radio, doing the DJ thing.~She's more of a boots. . . cats. . . boots, cats, boots. . . cats. . . boots, cats.~Oh, you're pretty good for a girl. ~The Limelight(NYC) was notorious for some of the crazy shit that went on there.~The problem is that in the clubs, vices are very readily available. So it's super easy. So you just have to be careful.~I didn't know. I just made it because I like the sound, but I wasn't putting a label on it myself. So you know just I'm learning as I go. ~it's important, especially as an older DJ, to understand that the clubbing is really a young person's game. And it sucks to say that, but it's true. Absolutely there is ageism. And there's a reason why fewer and fewer older DJs, that aren't superstar established.~Bottom line is, we love the music. I remember, I was like, maybe 10 years old, and I had the old tape recorder, black thing, the little buttons on the, you know, and I was recording off the radio, doing the DJ thing.~It's so hard to make any movement in the industry now.~Shout out to DJ Esteban. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

18 - God is a DJ

Dr. Dorian Lamis of Emory University discusses his earthshaking research into musician suicide and musician well-being, conducted by him and Dr. George Musgrave. We're joined by Dr. Carolyn Cavanaugh-Toft of Arizona State.And we also talk about Phish, Ministry , Jonathan Coulton, and lots more. Lyrics Reference: Shakespeare’s Sister. Quotes from the episode: ~“If it was in a Spinal Tap movie or something, it would almost be comical. But you know the fact that it was real, and these were real people who had died.”~“Seeing live music is really one of my favorite things to do. So that's really my passion, which I think is is one reason why I kind of got into this topic and wanted to bridge my 2 passions. . . suicide, prevention, psychology, mental health, and then music and the appreciation for music”~“We really need to protect this profession that does so much for us.”~“There are certain things we know that put people at risk for developing PTSD.”~“Reducing the stigma, and not only mental health but suicide, suicide, prevention.”~“it's not like these large record labels don't have any money, you know. There's resources out there”~“Musicians and veterans often share some of the same unique risk factors. Loneliness. So veterans, when they come back from war, they may feel alone. Some of the relationship strain may also kind of be similar with being on tour versus being deployed to another country. So I think there's some of those risk factors, substance abuse definitely. Veterans are at a higher risk for substance abuse as our musicians. So there's definitely overlap in some risk factors. I think there's a need to help both to help both professions.”This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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