Forensic psychologist Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon has spent decades studying the criminal mind, coming face-to-face with some of America’s most notorious killers.
In Part One of his conversation with Chanley, Dr. Smalldon reveals how an early fascination with crime led him to correspond with Charles Manson and Ted Bundy and recounts his chilling encounters with John Wayne Gacy and serial killer Donald Harvey. He shares what those interactions taught him about manipulation, violence, and the unsettling reality of the people behind some of the country’s most infamous crimes.
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Conversations With Killers: Manson, Bundy, Gacy & More | Part 1

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Conversations With Killers: Manson, Bundy, Gacy & More | Part 1

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