The Monster. The Damsel of Death. Infamously referred to as the first female serial killer. At five feet, four inches tall and 137 pounds; a transient sex worker who took the lives of 7 men in several acts of self-defense, according to her. But how could this be possible? Aileen aka Lee, was all love, at one time, stating quote “Too bad society has me all wrong, from all the cop lies and defamation put out on me. Because really I was all ‘LOVE’. Now I’m not.”For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about Aileen and her criminal life.In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding her crimes, behavior, and details that we found straight from her writings and interviews.So, join us next week for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page!Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Aileen Wuornos (Part 1)

HaPpY hAlLoWeEn!!!!!!Heather is back and has a brand new guest; KARAH!!!! Heather and Karah bring you this final Spooktober Series episode of 2023's spooky season and that's because it's one of our favorite HAUNTS! Heather and Karah share all the details about the Ohio State Reformatory in Mansfield, Ohio. We delve into the nitty gritty details of the construction of the prison as well as pop culture connections, real-life hauntings, and the Halloween attraction, BLOOD PRISON.Does this sound like a place you'd want to visit? Why or why not? Share your thoughts with us on Patreon, Facebook, and email!SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.https://sites.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/OSR2.htmhttps://bloodprison.com/

Spooktober Series: The Ohio State Reformatory & Infamous Inmates (Mansfield, Ohio) wKarah

Heather and Courtney bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a the Old Ohio State Penitentiary in Columbus, Ohio! Join us as we discuss several notable inmates who once called this prison their home. Additionally, we will discuss what sits on the old prison land and some of the spooky happenings that have been reported. SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.

Spooktober Series: The Old Ohio State Penitentiary & Notable Inmates (Columbus, Ohio) wCourtney

Heather and Brittany bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a farm family that was destroyed by some smear cheese and the terrible seasoning that made it unique in Lucas, Ohio. The 23-year-old daughter of the Rose Family was either a terrible cook or just a terrible person. You decide. Join us as we discuss the Rose Family Murders and the hauntings that have happened since.SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.https://www.wkyc.com/article/life/holidays/halloween/haunted-ohio-ceely-rose-murders-malabar-farm/95-ed2ad706-e468-4814-8bf0-25b0c165ae1ehttps://ohiomysteries.com/ohio%20mysteries/1896-the-disturbing-world-of-ceely-rose

Spooktober Series: Rose Family Murders (Lucas, Ohio) wBrittany

Heather and Kelsey bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a local spot to us; Ryan's Tavern in Hamilton, Ohio! Join us on this little adventure regarding the history of and paranormal experiences that people have encountered at the Tavern!SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.

Spooktober Series: Ryan's Tavern in Little Chicago (Hamilton, Ohio) wKelsey

Heather and Brittany bring you this Spooktober Series episode about an clever 1920's pharmacist-turn-defense attorney who ran that game during the prohibition era and ended up committing the ultimate crime, in Cincinnati, Ohio! Join us as we discuss Chicago defense lawyer George Remus and how his greedy bootlegging game led to the murder of Imogene Holmes. SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.plhttps://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/10/27/ghost-eden-park-definitely-out-there-90-years-after-she-murdered/790591001/https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/rich-bootlegger-george-remus-killed-his-wife-and-got-away-with-murder/

Spooktober Series: George Remus & Imogene in Black (Cincinnati, Ohio) wBrittany

Heather and Courtney bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a love affair-turned murder in Columbus, Ohio! Join us as we discuss one notorious murder case that originated at Ohio State University and quickly blew up in international headlines. This is the case of Dr. James Howard Snook and his mistress, Theora Hix, from 1929. One author described the case as one that sent waves of “shock, indignation, and disgust throughout Columbus”. The trial testimony was packed with so much illicit material that the newspapers of the time couldn’t report on it.SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.https://www.nytimes.com/1929/06/21/archives/snook-confesses-slaying-theora-hix-ohio-university-professor-de.htmlhttps://www.ohioexploration.com/miscellaneous/drjamessnook/https://medium.com/@draketheatrical/the-strange-case-of-dr-snook-and-theora-hix-a-roaring-twenties-murder-ad1b9e797949

Spooktober Series: The Snook-Hix Murder (Columbus, Ohio) wCourtney

Heather and Kelsey bring you this Spooktober Series episode about an Old Haunted Jail; the Old Licking County Jail in Newton, Ohio!  Join us on this little adventure regarding the history of, infamous inmates and event, as well as paranormal experiences that people have encountered at the jail!SourcesKlockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.https://www.newarkjail.com/about.html

Spooktober Series: Infamous Inmates in the Old Licking County Jail (Newton, Ohio) wKelsey

Heather and Brittany watch the documentary on Edmund Kemper, "Kemper on Kemper: Inside the Mind of a Serial Killer (2018)" and discuss our thoughts on the documentary as a whole. Additionally, Heather read the book "Real Crime by Real Killers Vol 2: Edmund Kemper (The True Story of the Brutal Co-Ed Butcher, second edition)" by Ryan Becker and gained a bit more insight into some of our questions from Parts 1 and 2 in the main feed.Sources https://www.amazon.com/Kemper-Inside-Mind-Serial-Killer/dp/B07K4S8Y5XBecker, R. (2020). Real Crime by Real Killers Vol 2: Edmund Kemper (The True Story of the Brutal Co-Ed Butcher, second edition). Sea Vision Publishing, LLC

BONUS: Edmund Kemper (2018 Documentary Review)

Heather and Brittany watch the documentary on Richard Speck "Richard Speck: Born to Raise Hell (1999)" and discuss our thoughts on the documentary as a whole.Sourceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3s7Zmf1qA

BONUS: Richard Speck (1999 Documentary Review)

This is Part 2 of the Edmund Emil Kemper III case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?We talked about how he was the assistant to his psychiatrist, how manipulative he was, and what Big Ed has been up to. We also discussed his relationship with his mother and sisters. We would love to hear your thoughts on this case and the dynamic that was at play. Please send us your thoughts/opinions.If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Edmund Emil Kemper III (Part 2)

Born as Edmund Emil Kemper III, on December 18, 1948 in Burbank, CA; he is known better as the co-ed killer who was responsible for the deaths of 10 individuals; 8 of them occurring between May 1972 and April of 1973.  His parents; Clarnell Elizabeth Kemper and Edmund Emil Kemper Jr. had three children, of which Edmund was the only boy and the middle child.  Although Edmund was caught and put in prison for his crimes in his mid twenties; he actually began murdering people in his adolescence.For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior.  Additionally, we will discuss more about Edmund’s time in prison, the psychology aspect of him/his case, and interesting pop culture related to him/his case.So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.  If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Edmund Emil Kemper III (Part 1)

This is Part 2 of the Richard Speck case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?We talked about the victim count versus perpetrator count and how/why Speck was able to kill 8 women, all by himself. We would love to hear your thoughts on this case and the dynamic that was at play. Please send us your thoughts/opinions.If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!REMEMBER: We will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.comand use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.LINK to the XYY Syndrome article: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/human-aggression-and-extra-y-chromosome-fact-or-fantasy#:~:text=STUDIES%20SOON%20BEGAN%20TO%20APPEAR,HAD%20THE%20EXTRA%20Y%20CHROMOSOME.

Richard Speck (Part 2)

Born as Richard Benjamin Speck, on December 6, 1941 in Kirkwood, IL; he is known for murdering 8 female students who lived together on the south side of Chicago. But that wasn’t the beginning of his crimes. As we’ve seen with all other cases; this was escalated behavior. Prior to these murders, he had been responsible for other acts of violence against his family and others. Additionally, Speck was pretty good at escaping the police…until he wasn’t. His talent ran out in 1966, after his killing spree, when he was captured two days later. For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, we will delve more into our thoughts about his upbringing, his behavior, and his mental state whilst committing his crimes. So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast  and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! REMEMBER: We will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com and use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Richard Speck (Part 1)

In this Extended episode for the $5 & up supporters; we discuss the fact that we’ve all wondered about criminal profiling and why criminals behave the way they do. That’s pretty much the premise of this entire podcast. Well, the FBI - Federal Bureau of Investigation, has an entire training division whose sole duty is to study and analyze. It is known as the behavioral science unit and is located at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia. In this episode, we talk about the FBI’s creation of this unit, how the unit has evolved over the years, and the key players in the department. We also briefly delve into the key cases that played a huge role in the creation of the BSU. We have decided to release this $5 & Up PATREON episode on the main feed as well; to kind of celebrate the fact that we will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com and use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets! Extended episodes are for $5 and up supporters!If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

The Birth of the FBI & BSU (Extended Patreon for $5 and up)

In this ALL-PATRON episode; we discuss the birth of the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and why it was needed during the time of the industrial revolution. We share some fun facts about the FBI including when the first wanted poster was released, as well as details about the first women in the FBI. We have decided to release this ALL PATREON episode on the main feed as well; to kind of celebrate the fact that we will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com and use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets! Extended episodes are for $5 and up supporters! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

The Birth of the FBI (All Patreon)

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism!  This is another BONUS episode for you guys!  We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes.  So, we hope you enjoy!   We had a suggestion from a former Armed Services member; to cover crimes in the Armed Services. So, we brought you some staggering statistics and a couple of cases: Vanessa Guillen and Amanda Gonzalez. If you have more information about either of these cases, or have additional case suggestions; please let us know!   If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!   Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com    If you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27.  By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket!  Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/ and get your tickets today!  Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival!   Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

BONUS - Murders & More in the Armed Services

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism! This is another BONUS episode for you guys! We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes. So, we hope you enjoy!We always talk about serial killers and how many of them were in law enforcement to some extent at some point in their life. So, we thought that a fun episode for you would be to share some lesser known killers who were involved, in some capacity, with law enforcement.-----Visit us at the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival, August 25-27 in Austin, TXhttps://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/ and enter code: NATURE at checkout for 15% off!Sources for John Reginald Halliday Christie casehttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10712839/john-reginald_halliday-christie https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christie-john.htm https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=13908441048&cq_term=como%20saber%20mi%20iq&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_plt=gp&utm_source=google&utm_medium=googleads&utm_campaign=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboeFoC4-zMqvgooJK_U4iyetby7dVW1ST0q3Gpevm96i2vx1KW6ONBAaAt2WEALw_wcB Sources for Ernst Karl casehttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228478605/ernst-karl http://www.eurochannel.com/en/3-Famous-Austrian-Killers-in-History.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Karl

BONUS - Serial Killers in Law Enforcement

Join Heather and her Status Pending co-host Scott Fuller for this BONUS episode. We touched on this serial killer in a recent Status Pending episode as a potential suspect in one of our cases. Since we don’t typically cover serial killers on that podcast, we decided to record a bonus for our Nature vs Narcissism listeners! This serial killer was the true definition of a chameleon! We discovered a minimum of 6 aliases that he had over the years…but we truly believe that there were many more, as well as many more victims. We hope you enjoy! Let us know your thoughts on this case!!!If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comIf you’re interested in meeting us; get your tickets for the 2023 True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is happening in Austin, Texas from August 25-27. By using promo code NATURE, you can get 15% off of your ticket! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com/and get your tickets today! Send us a message when you purchase your ticket and we may just have a surprise waiting for you at the festival!Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

BONUS - Terry Rasmussen (The Chameleon)

On July 20, 2012, 24-year-old James Holmes (whilst dressed in tactical clothing and bright orange dyed hair) set off tear gas grenades and shot multiple firearms into the Aurora, Colorado Century 16 movie theater midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises audience.  His actions led to the death of 12 people and injuring 70 others; 58 of whom were injured from gunfire.  In this episode, Heather sits down with award winning author and attorney Kerrie Droban to discuss her latest book, Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story.  In their book, Dr Lynn Fenton; the psychiatrist who treated James Holmes, and Kerrie Droban take you into the minds of a mass shooter (James Holmes) and his psychiatrist (Dr. Lynn Fenton) and how she was affected long-term.  Kerrie shares her experience with writing the book, working with/interviewing Dr. Fenton, as well as what she learned about Holmes based on his thoughts, actions, and treatment sessions with Fenton. Kerrie highlights the fact that Holmes was actively getting help when he executed his tragic plan to kill dozens of people. She shares that this is proof that there is no blueprint when it comes to identifying when someone may do something so extreme. We can ask all the questions. We can report all the odd behaviors. But at the end of the day, we are all still learning about the criminal psyche and need to apply our knowledge and understanding to each situation on a case by case basis.   We may never be able to predict and stop every single criminal who decides that they want to be a mass shooter/mass killer.  But we can take what we learn from cases like Holmes’ and apply it to try and prevent future tragedies.  Most often, these criminals are incredibly manipulative and calculating. “Let’s not forget; every psychopath is a narcissist. Every sociopath is a narcissist. But not every narcissist is a psychopath or sociopath.” -Kerrie Droban Kerrie’s goal with writing true crime books: The goal of writing these books, for Kerrie, is to expose, to educate, to inform, and to give that platform to the victims and their loved ones. A platform for them to tell their story and celebrate the lives of these people.  It is difficult to read but it’s insightful and the more that we talk about it and keep the conversation going; keep the memory alive.  Learn more about Kerrie, her books, her speaking engagements, and her writing workshops: https://www.kerriedroban.com/ Buy Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story https://a.co/d/fd5QsWF

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